JP for All declines JPNC Whole Foods Ad Hoc Invitation - Neighbors for Neighbors2024-03-29T04:38:53Zhttp://neighborsforneighbors.org/forum/topics/jp-for-all-declines-jpnc-whole?commentId=1171189%3AComment%3A69307&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThe tone of this board sadden…tag:neighborsforneighbors.org,2011-04-16:1171189:Comment:698752011-04-16T00:32:02.824ZDaniel Verinderhttp://neighborsforneighbors.org/profile/DanielVerinder
<p>The tone of this board saddens me. It has not reached the level of "Boston Herald" comments, but a number of the remarks here sound like little more than an all out assault on the JPNC. Whatever one's opinion of JPNC's recent stance on Whole Foods is (which is arguably misrepresented-see below), that does not make the whole body irrelevant. Nor does pointing to low turn out for JPNC elections in a country where people don't vote. (Even Obama and McCain couldn't get more than 60% of the…</p>
<p>The tone of this board saddens me. It has not reached the level of "Boston Herald" comments, but a number of the remarks here sound like little more than an all out assault on the JPNC. Whatever one's opinion of JPNC's recent stance on Whole Foods is (which is arguably misrepresented-see below), that does not make the whole body irrelevant. Nor does pointing to low turn out for JPNC elections in a country where people don't vote. (Even Obama and McCain couldn't get more than 60% of the nation to vote.) Nor does taking a position on whether or not Whole Foods would be a good fit for our neighborhood translate into anything unconscionable--arguably the opposite. By counterexample, here are some unconscionable things JPNC has not done:</p>
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<p>1. JPNC has not created a hostile atmosphere and a chilling effect by accusing anyone of wandering into "grey legal territory." </p>
<p>2. JPNC has not laid off 45 of our neighbors with virtually no notice.</p>
<p>3. JPNC has not refused to guarantee to give these neighbors their jobs back.</p>
<p>4. JPNC has not used a petition signed by about 1% of the JP population to repeatedly make the unsubstantiated claim that the majority of JP supports WF's presence.</p>
<p>5. JPNC has not delayed publicizing potential conflicts of interest existing on its board for two months:</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.jamaicaplaingazette.com/node/4751">http://www.jamaicaplaingazette.com/node/4751</a></p>
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<p>For those of you only interested in bashing JPNC, take a break. If JPNC is so irrelevant and their actions so meaningless and/or outside the scope of the law, then you and WF have nothing to fear, right? So, who is wasting more time-JPNC for having their meetings or those of you exerting so much energy JPNC-bashing?</p>
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<p>For those of you willing to be more open-minded about it, below you can see how JPNC both acknowledges that they may be unlikely to change anything, but that this was an important issue to members, and so they felt obligated to keep the dialogue going. Is that so wrong?</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.jamaicaplaingazette.com/node/4751">http://www.jamaicaplaingazette.com/node/4751</a></p>
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<p> </p> like.tag:neighborsforneighbors.org,2011-04-13:1171189:Comment:695792011-04-13T03:08:30.736ZAngie VMhttp://neighborsforneighbors.org/profile/AngieVM
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like. re elections: they'll be held…tag:neighborsforneighbors.org,2011-04-12:1171189:Comment:693332011-04-12T03:21:19.379ZDave Demerjianhttp://neighborsforneighbors.org/profile/DaveDemerjian
re elections: they'll be held this September - they usually take place the Saturday of the World's Fair. 20 seats total (5 each from areas A, B, and C and 5 at large). interested candidates collect signatures during the summer (25 to run for an area seat, 50 if running at large). These are certified by the city prior to names going on the ballot. Bios of each candidate have previously run in the Gazette and I'm guessing this time around the Patch will run them too. Last election there were…
re elections: they'll be held this September - they usually take place the Saturday of the World's Fair. 20 seats total (5 each from areas A, B, and C and 5 at large). interested candidates collect signatures during the summer (25 to run for an area seat, 50 if running at large). These are certified by the city prior to names going on the ballot. Bios of each candidate have previously run in the Gazette and I'm guessing this time around the Patch will run them too. Last election there were ballot boxes in place at Forest Hills, JP Licks and Hyde Square to ensure access. Votes were tabulated independently and winners announced the week after the election. Information packs are distributed in early summer and there will also be information at jpnc.org.<br />
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Let me know if you need more info on the process, and please, PLEASE do run in Sept. It will be great to have competitive elections. Thanks Erica. I will not be i…tag:neighborsforneighbors.org,2011-04-12:1171189:Comment:693322011-04-12T02:54:46.068ZRick Stockwoodhttp://neighborsforneighbors.org/profile/RickStockwood
Thanks Erica. I will not be in attendance because of the reasons stated above, but I hope that the overtures - although long overdue - from the JPNC are not another attempt to sideline the real issues and hold permits and licenses hostage. Guess we will hear tomorrow if the circus is here to stay. Fingers crossed.
Thanks Erica. I will not be in attendance because of the reasons stated above, but I hope that the overtures - although long overdue - from the JPNC are not another attempt to sideline the real issues and hold permits and licenses hostage. Guess we will hear tomorrow if the circus is here to stay. Fingers crossed. Hi Rick (and Dax, and Pat, an…tag:neighborsforneighbors.org,2011-04-12:1171189:Comment:695552011-04-12T02:47:26.028ZErica Bialhttp://neighborsforneighbors.org/profile/EricaBial
<p>Hi Rick (and Dax, and Pat, and others reading this!), </p>
<p>I will make every effort to attend tomorrow's meeting, and will gladly join y'all for a drink after if you're so inclined. I will try to make my presence known and will make every effort to introduce myself to folks at the meeting, so please say, "Hello."</p>
<p>Even if I miss you, I'll try to give an accurate report as to what I see and what happens to share with this forum.</p>
<p>More to come, and thanks for your…</p>
<p>Hi Rick (and Dax, and Pat, and others reading this!), </p>
<p>I will make every effort to attend tomorrow's meeting, and will gladly join y'all for a drink after if you're so inclined. I will try to make my presence known and will make every effort to introduce myself to folks at the meeting, so please say, "Hello."</p>
<p>Even if I miss you, I'll try to give an accurate report as to what I see and what happens to share with this forum.</p>
<p>More to come, and thanks for your support!</p>
<p>Be the change, </p>
<p>Erica</p> Hi Erica - Keep us posted on…tag:neighborsforneighbors.org,2011-04-12:1171189:Comment:694552011-04-12T02:39:48.381ZRick Stockwoodhttp://neighborsforneighbors.org/profile/RickStockwood
Hi Erica - Keep us posted on the ad hoc meeting. It is good to know there will be people in the room to keep the group honest. And definitely keep us posted on your efforts to run for a seat. We will be working hard to help elect an entirely new slate that believes in transparency and will act responsibly and objectively to represent all of the residents of JP.
Hi Erica - Keep us posted on the ad hoc meeting. It is good to know there will be people in the room to keep the group honest. And definitely keep us posted on your efforts to run for a seat. We will be working hard to help elect an entirely new slate that believes in transparency and will act responsibly and objectively to represent all of the residents of JP. Thanks, Dave.
I searched my e…tag:neighborsforneighbors.org,2011-04-12:1171189:Comment:694532011-04-12T02:38:41.917ZErica Bialhttp://neighborsforneighbors.org/profile/EricaBial
<p>Thanks, Dave.</p>
<p>I searched my e-mail, including my ENTIRE spam folder, both electronically and with my own eyes, dating back to the minute that I sent my letters of interest to the JPNC. </p>
<p>Interestingly, I never received anything whatsoever from you or any other member of the JPNC about this issue until I posted on this forum. Today. </p>
<p>I seem to be getting all of my other e-mail, including a boatload of interesting spam (I almost never scan through it), lame jokes from my…</p>
<p>Thanks, Dave.</p>
<p>I searched my e-mail, including my ENTIRE spam folder, both electronically and with my own eyes, dating back to the minute that I sent my letters of interest to the JPNC. </p>
<p>Interestingly, I never received anything whatsoever from you or any other member of the JPNC about this issue until I posted on this forum. Today. </p>
<p>I seem to be getting all of my other e-mail, including a boatload of interesting spam (I almost never scan through it), lame jokes from my father, and all of my professional and personal mail otherwise, so I can only guess that perhaps you didn't send it? <i><b>lex parsimoniae.</b></i></p>
<p>While I appreciate your attempt to invite my (and the community's) participation and "seem responsive" I can't help but feel that perhaps, this is a bit of face-saving. A bit little, a lot late. Nonetheless, I appreciate the apology, and if I am available I will try to attend the meeting - had I had more notice, I would have more easily been there. </p>
<p>Be the change, </p>
<p>Erica</p>
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<p> </p> @ Erica: this is Dave Demerji…tag:neighborsforneighbors.org,2011-04-12:1171189:Comment:691422011-04-12T00:29:55.994ZDave Demerjianhttp://neighborsforneighbors.org/profile/DaveDemerjian
<p>@ Erica: this is Dave Demerjian, I do a lot of the outreach and communications for the JPNC. I received your email the day you sent it and promptly wrote back to you. I'm not sure why you didn't receive my message - please check your spam filter or junk mail folder. I also forwarded your message to Steve Laffeirriere, who is the JPNC member chairing the committee. </p>
<p><br></br>The ad hoc committee is absolutely looking for community involvement. The meeting is being held tomorrow at 7pm at…</p>
<p>@ Erica: this is Dave Demerjian, I do a lot of the outreach and communications for the JPNC. I received your email the day you sent it and promptly wrote back to you. I'm not sure why you didn't receive my message - please check your spam filter or junk mail folder. I also forwarded your message to Steve Laffeirriere, who is the JPNC member chairing the committee. </p>
<p><br/>The ad hoc committee is absolutely looking for community involvement. The meeting is being held tomorrow at 7pm at the Bowditch School which is at 92 Green Street. It's at that meeting that they are going to nail down who ends up serving on the committee, so if you have time please do come to that meeting. </p>
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<p>Again, I'm very sorry that you didn't receive the response email that I sent your way. Through all of this, I am attempting to be as responsive as possible. I apologize if we are presenting as otherwise. Hope to see you tomorrow. </p>
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<p>Dave</p> c'mon, Rick.
Let's get electe…tag:neighborsforneighbors.org,2011-04-11:1171189:Comment:692282011-04-11T17:35:54.129ZErica Bialhttp://neighborsforneighbors.org/profile/EricaBial
<p>c'mon, Rick.</p>
<p>Let's get elected (yes, actually elected, not appointed) to the JPNC!</p>
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<p>c'mon, Rick.</p>
<p>Let's get elected (yes, actually elected, not appointed) to the JPNC!</p>
<p> </p> Amen, Pat.
I agree in sentime…tag:neighborsforneighbors.org,2011-04-11:1171189:Comment:692262011-04-11T17:34:57.597ZErica Bialhttp://neighborsforneighbors.org/profile/EricaBial
<p>Amen, Pat.</p>
<p>I agree in sentiment with nearly every word you wrote, although I have been trying to pursue a slightly different avenue to accomplish the same goals. </p>
<p>I have been trying to get elected - I applied for a spot on the "ad hoc committee" (since it is ridiculous and probably needs someone rational on the inside, and I think I am rational ;) ) out of fear that otherwise, the forming of useless committees may lend the appearance of legitimacy to this whole thing. By my…</p>
<p>Amen, Pat.</p>
<p>I agree in sentiment with nearly every word you wrote, although I have been trying to pursue a slightly different avenue to accomplish the same goals. </p>
<p>I have been trying to get elected - I applied for a spot on the "ad hoc committee" (since it is ridiculous and probably needs someone rational on the inside, and I think I am rational ;) ) out of fear that otherwise, the forming of useless committees may lend the appearance of legitimacy to this whole thing. By my saying that in a public forum, I assume I will ensure that I am not appointed, but that is ok. I applied the day the JPNC announced their intention, I have e-mailed several inquiries, as well as a formal letter of application, and received ZERO response from anyone.</p>
<p>I have lived in JP, as a homeowner, since 2003, and I grew up nearby. </p>
<p>I am also embarrassed by all of this - I think it is short-changing our neighborhood for us to be so publicly focused on something that ultimately amounts to a really really good move (full and vibrant storefront, creating jobs, availability of a broad range of healthier foods, by a company with a history of being a good neighbor - I fully intend to shop at Whole Foods, replacing Stop and Shop for me - I always avoided Hi-Lo because it was so dirty and desolate). Meanwhile, important issues (taxes, education, public safety, public health, transportation, you-name-it) have been overshadowed by this.</p>
<p>I believe that the JPNC does not represent the interest of residents of JP. They potentially could serve a lovely purpose, but I think the time of their necessity is long over and their recent actions clearly demonstrate that they've lost sight, entirely, of their constituency and charter.</p>